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Jimmy Simpson wrote:

> At 10:51 PM 4/4/2001 -0400, Eric Freitas wrote:
> >It's good to hear that he is getting better.  I don't believe that I have
> >read any of his works.  I looked over his biography and didn't recognize
> >anything.  I might look up some of it now though.
>
> Well if you are an oldtimer to Traveller, you might have seen his
> stuff in
> the original JTAS (regular contributor).  I don't know if he wrote any
> adventures or anything else for Traveller.

He's also well known for his stint as book reviewer for White Dwarf before
it became a GW organ. One of the few reviewers I usualy agreed with.

I found "The Dragon Waiting" a good book too.

Frankie


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Bruce Johnson wrote:

> Delta Airlines just completely restored one of their first ones as the
> new company flagship.
> --
> Bruce Johnson

Oh yeah, almost forgot: A restored DC-3 started operating the
Helsinki-Tallinn route (about 100km field-to-field, I think) a few years
back. Saw it once above Helsinki, flying into a very strong wind: It was
beautiful, gleaming "metal bird" in every sense of the word, and the
speed at which it was moving was ludicrous (groundspeed must have been
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Dear Folks -

Jesse opined:
>A bomber is supposed to have a longer life-span than a truck.......
>
>There is something INHERENTLY wrong with that......

Oh, I dunno, Jesse, I think I'd agree with the original assessment. After
all, the latter is more likely to be a target of _many_ of the formers, so
why bother making it last longer, y'know?

;-)
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Dear Folks -

William Lane wrote:
>the only difference between the holographic system and the manual system
is
>that it will allow the user faster reaction times.

Actually, this is part of later MT info (a rule change, not errata! ;-).
Holo-dynamic controls give a bonus to initiative, I believe (I'll have to
look this up!).
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Dear Folks -

>If the controls are just lights in air, w/o any tactile
>component, they seem like they would be either safe or easy to
>use.

Aboard current modern naval vessels, there are some
dynamically-configurable controls. As the user selects certain functions,
the board changes so they can run just that function (using LEDs). The crew
stations are generic, so you can pull up whatever system you need to work
on. If you want to be the radio operator, you select the radio-operator
"slot" (see below); if you want weapons, you select that function, etc.

These machine do not use press-buttons; they are activated by a user
putting a finger into a slot, which breaks a light-beam. This signals the
machine that the user has done something, in the same way that a key-press
does. The machine responds with a click to let you know that it registered
your command.

The holes are large enough for people wearing flash-protective clothing
(such as gloves) to be able to operate. Reminds me of the specs for weapons
in _Emperor's Arsenal_.
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Dear Folks -

Peter Trevor wrote:
>I remember my first Traveller campaign.  I invented a new noble
>rank between Sector Duke and Emperor called a "Grand  Duke". I
>had Grand Duke Zander von Wilemhorst of the Spinward Peninsula.
>Then GDW comes out with Archdukes and Domains.

So, having put "The Head" into Traveller, would you agree that the
D'Alembert series is _very_ Traveller-like, at least in terms of the way it
handles nobility?

(Last time I asked, I didn't get many responses).

How about the match of Stanley Ten = Strephon, and the princess (forgot her
name) = Ciencia (etc)??

Great source if you want to mine scenarios for MoJ characters - or IRIS, if
you use it.
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--- Jimmy Simpson <nimrodd@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>At 10:51 PM 4/4/2001 -0400, Eric Freitas wrote:
>
>>It's good to hear that he is getting better.  I don't believe that I have
>>read any of his works.  I looked over his biography and didn't recognize
>>anything.  I might look up some of it now though.
>
>Well if you are an oldtimer to Traveller, you might have seen his stuff in 
>the original JTAS (regular contributor).  I don't know if he wrote any 
>adventures or anything else for Traveller.

IIRC (I'm at work right now, so I can't double check) John M. Ford wrote GT Starports.

Also, was he the one who wrote "The Yellow Clearance Black Box Blues" for Paranoia?

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--- Bill <beast@pacifier.com>
> wrote:
>I made a couple of posts to this list....I think.
>
>Wonder where they went??

Well, this one went to Bosnia.  At least, that's where I found it.... ;-)


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On 4 Apr 2001, at 22:51, GypsyComet@aol.com wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 4/4/01 7:29:20 PM, you wrote:
> 
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> 
> Not to quibble, but this is actually TML 3.0

I got the impression there were more than that, or weren't they called 'The 
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Hi All,

I found this list yesterday, and thought that, after reading last night's
messages, I'd de-lurk and say Hi.

Many years ago (20-ish) I committed sacrilege, and sold my LBBs, as well as my
(original) D&D and one or two other things.  My excuse was, and is, that I'd
started college and was too busy (working and chasing women, not necessarily in
that order!) for 'silly' games.  

Anyway, not many years passed before I got back into gaming again, but this
time with MERP, then Rolemaster.  Had a go at Spacemaster, but found it waaay
tooo slooow.  Always had a vaguely guilty feeling about Traveller.  We tried
New Era when it came out, but didn't like it- neither the changed setting nor
the system (which isn't meant to be 'flame-bait'- it was a purely personal
thing- and I'm sure TNE suits many people very well indeed).

Anyway I was delighted recently, when I found that my local shop had stocks of
FFE's reprint of the LBBS (now Little Portly Black Books?).  Like me, they were
no taller, but somewhat wider, than they were 20 years ago. :-)  Finding them
was like meeting an old friend I hadn't seen in 20 years, and beginning to
re-read them (and read some of the 'new' stuff- i.e. published <20 years ago-
for the first time), is like getting to know an old friend again.

Back then, we didn't have computers- I'd seen one, and even written a few
programs (remember punch-cards and paper tape?), but nothing like today.
Mapping &c was all done by hand.  The advent of 'decent' personal computers has
made a huge difference to gaming, and I envisage using my PCs to the full for
Traveller, just as I do with my Harn campaign (I use Campaign Cartographer 2,
and am part of the team producing an 'add-on' to making mapping Harn with CC-2
easier- see:

http://www.minarsas.demon.co.uk/harn/chmp/.  

I have been having lots of fun with Stuart Ferris' Heaven and Earth- wow, I'd
have killed for that 20 years ago!  Incredibly labour-saving.  Pity it doesn't
have the option to generate CC-2 files for the maps it makes...

...Hmm, that starts the old grey cells working.

So to my (first?) question- are there any True-Type or Type 1 fonts (for PC,
not Mac) for Traveller out there?  I have copies of the Optima fonts (the ones
used on the cover of the LBBs?), and have been sent one (not brilliant, but
useable) for Vilani.  There are a couple at FFE, but my (Win2k) system doesn't
recognise them as being valid font files.  Does anyone know of any others
please?

Cheers,
Phil

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Hyphen wrote:
> Peter Trevor wrote:
> >I remember my first Traveller campaign.  I invented a new noble
> >rank between Sector Duke and Emperor called a "Grand  Duke". I
> >had Grand Duke Zander von Wilemhorst of the Spinward Peninsula.
> >Then GDW comes out with Archdukes and Domains.
> 
> So, having put "The Head" into Traveller, would you agree that the
> D'Alembert series is _very_ Traveller-like, at least in terms 
> of the way it handles nobility?

I've forgotten most of it after 20 years, but I think the  answer
was yes.

And I'm always plag^h^h^h^htaking inspiration  for  literary  and
media sources (even very odd ones).  (No one's yet  commented  on
the sources for some of the major NPCs in my Yori adventures!)



> (Last time I asked, I didn't get many responses).

Sorry, missed it.



> How about the match of Stanley Ten = Strephon, and the 
> princess (forgot her name) = Ciencia (etc)??

Tip: playing out big royal wedding scenes can be very  boring  to
PCs and can lead them to misbehave with the Hiver ambassador.



> Great source if you want to mine scenarios for MoJ characters 
> - or IRIS, if you use it.

Except, perhaps, the later  volumes  (written  after  the  author
died).  They don't sit well with the earlier volumes.



Regards PLST
(aka Stalin)

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No not the sector, the programming language :*>

I'm currently upgrading HGS (for those on the TML who don't know) to 
include user definable components. Now the easiest way to do it would be 
to simply add a database to the program. This is easy to program 
(probably less than 10 LoC), but I can't figure a way to do this without 
including the BDE in the distribution files. This would result in a *huge* 
increase in size (several times) and I'd much rather avoid it.

So the question is, are there any Delphi components that allow me to 
connect to an sql database (I'm planning on using InterBase) and get 
around the need for the BDE?

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On 4 Apr 2001, at 23:16, Swordy wrote:

> The archive is only 168mb, so it won't be a big drain on a server. The
> question is, who will finally write the server-side search app. so that we can
> use it to its full potential? :>

I don't know enough about Client/Server architecture to do the 
programming, but I'll happily get the ball rolling by making (and populating) 
a database of every TML post (may take awhile though). That would allow 
you to seperate out author, subject, date and body. Is InterBase 
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Andrew Moffatt-Vallance wrote:
> So the question is, are there any Delphi components that allow me to 
> connect to an sql database (I'm planning on using InterBase) and get 
> around the need for the BDE?

If you use ODBC do you still need BDE?

Regards PLST
(aka Stalin)

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--- "Hendry, Philip" <p.hendry@lancaster.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I found this list yesterday, and thought that, after reading last night's
>messages, I'd de-lurk and say Hi.
>
Welcome aboard!  Interestingly enough, you arrived on this iteration of the TML bare hours after its creation.  Years from now, you'll be able to brag to newbies about this.

Now, for your newbie essay:

Discuss the in-universe (as opposed to game-balance) rationale and implications for the limit of 1 hardpoint per 100 dtons of starship.  Be sure to address spacecraft smaller than 100 dtons.

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--- Douglas Berry <gridlore@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>At 03:12 PM 04/04/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>There is indeed such a listing, but I don't remember who is maintaining
>>it right now. The original maintainer is on a TOD in the Balkans right
>>now...
>
>I know John has some email access.. does anybody remember the addy?


I know it!  I know it! ;-)

>  I need
>to get his snail mail address.. we have a morale-support plan in the works.

Here it is:

SFC John Groth
A/103d MI Bn
Operation Joint Forge
Comanche Base
APO, AE 09789

I'll need you snail-mail address also, Doug, so that I can send a tape or something for my virtual attendance at BayCon.



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on 4/4/01 7:21 PM, Patrik Holmstrm at glappkaeft@hotmail.com wrote:

>>> I could host them, I have 420gigabytes of hard drive space and a 12x >>CD
>>> burner.
>> 
>> You may have to, at least until I get the new drive in.  It looks like a
>> huge volume of files.  Right now I'm trying to get all the files, but
>> ftp.mpgn.com is sloooowwww.
>> 
>> I'll keep you posted
> 
> I got the archive as well but I can't host anything due to my ISP and I will
> be away from this computer over easter starting this evening CET.
> 

I'm downloading the archive as we speak, and should have it available soon.

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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:48:40 -0700 (PDT) AuricTech Shipyards
<aurictech@esweeet.com> writes:
> 
> 
> --- Jimmy Simpson <nimrodd@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >At 10:51 PM 4/4/2001 -0400, Eric Freitas wrote:
> >
> >>It's good to hear that he is getting better.  I don't believe that 
> I have
> >>read any of his works.  I looked over his biography and didn't 
> recognize
> >>anything.  I might look up some of it now though.
> >
> >Well if you are an oldtimer to Traveller, you might have seen his 
> stuff in 
> >the original JTAS (regular contributor).  I don't know if he wrote 
> any 
> >adventures or anything else for Traveller.
> 
> IIRC (I'm at work right now, so I can't double check) John M. Ford 
> wrote GT Starports.
> 
> Also, was he the one who wrote "The Yellow Clearance Black Box 
> Blues" for Paranoia?
> 

He also, IIRC, wrote the Star Trek novel "How Much For Just The Planet?".


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on 4/4/01 8:16 PM, Swordy at swordworlder@earthlink.net wrote:

> The archive is only 168mb, so it won't be a big drain on a server. The
> question is, who will finally write the server-side search app. so that we
> can use it to its full potential? :>
> 

Good question.  I'll be converting what I can of the archive to html and
that should be searchable.  A database would be even better, but not planned
by me in the short term.  Anyone else?  I'm running mysql on the tml server.

Tod

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On 5 Apr 2001, at 5:07, Tod Glenn wrote:

> Good question.  I'll be converting what I can of the archive to html and
> that should be searchable.  A database would be even better, but not planned
> by me in the short term.  Anyone else?  I'm running mysql on the tml server.

Well, I'm also downloading as I speak. I was planning on InterBase, but I 
should be able to do mySQL too.

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On Thursday 05 April 2001 05:41, Hendry, Philip wrote:
> So to my (first?) question- are there any True-Type or Type 1 fonts (for
> PC, not Mac) for Traveller out there?  I have copies of the Optima fonts
> (the ones used on the cover of the LBBs?), and have been sent one (not
> brilliant, but useable) for Vilani.  There are a couple at FFE, but my
> (Win2k) system doesn't recognise them as being valid font files.  Does
> anyone know of any others please?
>
> Cheers,
> Phil
>

Phil,
	Try this for the Vilani font.  It should work just by putting it into your 
fonts directory under Windows.  I have found that you may need to open your 
fonts folder and double click on the font (which will show some info about 
it) before it will load into any other programs.  It works on my Windows 
machine here.   Good Luck, and welcome to the list.

-- 
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Mark Preston wrote:
> <!--Major political entities-->
> <power id="Imp" desc="Imperium"/>
> <power id="In" desc="Independant world"/>
> <power id="Dar" desc="Darrian Confederation"/>
> <power id="Zho" desc="Zhodani Consulate (or Zhodani controlled)"/>
> <power id="Swd" desc="Sword Worlds Confederation member world"/>

Shouldn't these all be the *standard* 2-letter codes:
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?

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> Welcome aboard!  

Thanks!

Interestingly enough, you arrived on this 
> iteration of the TML bare hours after its creation.  

I must admit, I was mightily confused by the seeming existence of two TMLs!

Years 
> from now, you'll be able to brag to newbies about this.

:-)

> Now, for your newbie essay:
> 
> Discuss the in-universe (as opposed to game-balance) 
> rationale and implications for the limit of 1 hardpoint per 
> 100 dtons of starship.  Be sure to address spacecraft smaller 
> than 100 dtons.

Hmm.  Perhaps I should unsubscribe...

> AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead

I ain't no Traveller gearhead.  I have to be a 'gearhead' at work, and prefer
to my gaming along fairly simple lines, so that I only have a headache 8/5
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On 5 Apr 2001, at 12:05, Trevor, Peter wrote:

> Andrew Moffatt-Vallance wrote:
> > So the question is, are there any Delphi components that allow me to 
> > connect to an sql database (I'm planning on using InterBase) and get 
> > around the need for the BDE?

> If you use ODBC do you still need BDE?

As far as I can tell, yes.

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Eric Freitas wrote:

> Phil,
>         Try this for the Vilani font.  It should work just by putting it into your

> Eric Freitas

Could someone fill me up on the list's rules about attachments?

GNiko

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> [mailto:owner-tml@travellercentral.com]On Behalf Of Rob Miracle
> Sent: 05 April 2001 00:22
> To: Loren Wiseman
> Cc: tml@travellercentral.com; traveller@lists.ient.com
> Subject: [TML] Re: TML 2.0
>
> > >So, no matter what the new home is, it's clear to me
> that it needs one.
> >
> >I suggest we keep Tod strongly in mind as a backup and see
> what happens.
>
> I have officially handed the reigns to Tod.  The new list
> will be the
> official one and I will turn off the iEN one in two weeks.
>
Well, I for one would like to say thanks for all the effort you have
put in over the years Rob. I am sure that Tod will keep up the good
work and I hope that you will be staying with us. Good luck in your
new job.

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On 5 Apr 2001, at 15:58, Niko Mikkanen wrote:

> Could someone fill me up on the list's rules about attachments?

Basically don't. It stuffs up the digest mode (if I'm wrong Tod will leep on 
me *:>)

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On 5 Apr 2001, at 5:07, Tod Glenn wrote:

> Good question.  I'll be converting what I can of the archive to html and
> that should be searchable.  A database would be even better, but not planned
> by me in the short term.  Anyone else?  I'm running mysql on the tml server.

I've been looking at the digest files and it shouldn't be too hard to get them 
into database. I'll just automate the process and leave it running overnight.

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Okay, I guess I'll decloak, jump on the Newbie bandwagon, and request my
newbie essay assignment.  My name is Dave, and I've been playing Traveller
since the early 80's (chorus of "Hi Dave" from offstage - welcome to
Traveller's Anonymous).  I'm a transplanted Canuck living in the deepest,
darkest wilds of West Kentucky, finally about to start up a new CT campaign
(woohoo!!! Been WAY too long...).  I've been lurking here, with a tentative
post or two, for a couple of months now.  I've been watching the "newbie
essay" assignments with interest, and would love to see some of the past
assignments - I'm sure they'd be great reading.  Has someone been hanging on
to these somewhere?

Nice to meet y'all (gasp!  I've traded in my "eh" for a "y'all" - better
head back north for a while!).

> -----Original Message-----
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> Moffatt-Vallance
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>
> On 5 Apr 2001, at 15:58, Niko Mikkanen wrote:
>
> > Could someone fill me up on the list's rules about attachments?
>
> Basically don't. It stuffs up the digest mode (if I'm wrong Tod
> will leep on
> me *:>)
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> So the question is, are there any Delphi components that allow me to
> connect to an sql database (I'm planning on using InterBase) and get
> around the need for the BDE?

Bearing in mind my limited experience with Delphi, I think that you
should be able to use the MIDAS component that comes with Delphi 5
Enterprise edition.  I've only got the Professional edition myself
so I don't know for certain.

I don't know whether there are any third party tools that will let
you do it either, but I would think that somebody somewhere has
written one.  Have you tried the Delphi newsgroups?

Don't know if I've helped.

Greg Aldridge.


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Sorry, just had to make sure everything is working.
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>
> He also, IIRC, wrote the Star Trek novel "How Much For Just The Planet?".
>

This is the only Trek book I own ... and has some really classic moments...but dropping a group of PC's onto a planet like the one in the book could go two ways...A) they boggle and leave or B) they smile evil smiles and outdo
the locals...depends on their singing ability...

Rob

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Right on both counts. <grin>

At 12:48 AM 4/5/01 -0700, you wrote:


>--- Jimmy Simpson <nimrodd@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >At 10:51 PM 4/4/2001 -0400, Eric Freitas wrote:
> >
> >>It's good to hear that he is getting better.  I don't believe that I have
> >>read any of his works.  I looked over his biography and didn't recognize
> >>anything.  I might look up some of it now though.
> >
> >Well if you are an oldtimer to Traveller, you might have seen his stuff in
> >the original JTAS (regular contributor).  I don't know if he wrote any
> >adventures or anything else for Traveller.
>
>IIRC (I'm at work right now, so I can't double check) John M. Ford wrote 
>GT Starports.
>
>Also, was he the one who wrote "The Yellow Clearance Black Box Blues" for 
>Paranoia?
>
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At 03:58 PM 04/05/01 +0300, you wrote:
>Could someone fill me up on the list's rules about attachments?

Don't.  Send it privately after announcing you have *something* that we
need to see, or post links to a web site.

Attachments can really screw up the digest mode.
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Howdy!

First, Jeff and Tod: Thanks for trying to do the right thing.
Personally, I think youse guys did nothing wrong.

Given that Rob has unambiguously ceded the reins of the TML,
and given that Tod has the means and the will and the demonstrated
ability to host the list, I don't see where there is much to decide.
Let us move ahead.

yours,
Michael
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At 11:11 AM 04/05/01 +1000, you wrote:

>First, may I propose a big vote of thanks to Rob Miracle for the excellent
>job he did looking after the TML for so long. THANKS ROB!! <stands and
>applauds!>

Seconded.  Rob has been a big part of the TML's success for some time, and
was a great listmom.
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At 05:00 PM 04/05/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Well, that last post pretty much completes the story about how to build your
>very own functional jump drive.
>
>What did everyone think?

That you are a cruel, cruel man..  I like that in a person.
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Would some kind soul please post the link to the site from which I can download Galactic 2.4?  I have a new laptop which desperately needs this outstanding program.

I already know where I can find Heaven and Earth. ;-)

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On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 03:03  pm, Rob wrote:

>>
>> He also, IIRC, wrote the Star Trek novel "How Much For Just The 
>> Planet?".
>>
>
> This is the only Trek book I own ... and has some really classic 
> moments...but dropping a group of PC's onto a planet like the one in 
> the book could go two ways...A) they boggle and leave or

This is what transporter (or manouver drive, or TARDIS) malfunctions are 
for. :-)

> B) they smile evil smiles and outdo
> the locals...depends on their singing ability...

This is what onion-skin plots are for. :-)

- Rob (Myers).
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At 19:22 -0400 4/4/01, Rob Miracle wrote:
>> >So, no matter what the new home is, it's clear to me that it needs one.
>>
>>I suggest we keep Tod strongly in mind as a backup and see what happens.
>
>I have officially handed the reigns to Tod.  The new list will be the
>official one and I will turn off the iEN one in two weeks.

That settles it as far as I am concerned.

Rob, you have done a great job over the years, and have more than earned
your place in Paradise. Please don't be a stranger.



Loren Wiseman
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Since I mentioned Jump Vortices in another post
on the ct-starships list, I thought it would be well
if I explained what I was talking about.

[To the TML: I've mentioned this subject before, but
we've got new people aboard since then, and isn't it
about time for a good jumpspace discussion anyway? (-:  ]

The following idea is largely based on an old JTAS article,
but I unfortunately read it so long ago that the title,
date and author escapes me.  If anyone recalls who
originated this idea, please chime in.  I've added
bits and pieces to the idea over the years, but the
bits are really more extrapolations than major revisions.

Now then...

Jump Vortices:  every massive object creates a jump vortex
at 100 diameters distance.  This vortex is very significant
to the use of jump space, as it provides the exit point
from (and a general limit on the entry point to) jump space.

Jump drives create a path through jump space, the terminus
of which is naturally attracted to jump vortices.  The more
powerful and sophisticated the jump drive, the more
selective that jump drive can be regarding which jump
vortice attracts the terminus of the path.  This selection
occurs at both the parsec level (selecting which general
star system to target) and at the star system level
(selecting which individual jump vortex to target within
the selected star system).

Thus a Jump-1 drive can only select star system's vortices
within 1 parsec range, while a Jump-6 drive can select
vortices within a 6 parsec range.  A Jump Governor (as seen
in High Guard 1st edition) allows a ship to regulate how
much energy the jump drive uses to open the path, otherwise
the Jump-6 drive would burn just as much fuel activating
a 1 parsec path as it would opening a 6-parsec path.  Jump
governor or no, the jump drive is still limited (by it's
available power and sophistication) on the maximum parsec
range it can open paths to.

Within the target star system, the easiest jump vortex to
get to is the largest and most attractive - the one generated
by the system primary.  However, each star system has a host
of other, smaller vortices associated with it - companion
stars, planets, anything with enough mass to set up it's own
vortex.  A weak jump drive - Jump-1 - is only powerful enough
to select the largest, most attractive jump vortex in the
area, so will always exit jump at the 100 diameter limit of
the system primary.  A slightly more powerful jump
drive - Jump-2 - could select between the jump vortex of the
system primary, or the next largest jump vortex - such as that
generated by the system's largest gas giant.  As jump drives
become more powerful, the selection available in the target
system becomes more varied.  A Jump-6 drive could select the
100 diameter limit of the system primary, the largest gas
giant, the next largest gas giant, all the way down to the
sixth-largest jump vortex in that system.

The exit point from jump, generally speaking, will be
at the 100 diameter limit of whatever target the
jump drives can get to, and will be pretty much
along a line between the departure point and the
center of the target.

In all cases, a jump vortex that is contained within a
larger jump vortex - such as the planet Mercury within
100 diameters of Sol - cannot be reached, as the path
through jump space will terminate when it reaches
the larger jump vortex.

Unusual jumps, such as intra-system microjumps and jumps
to areas of space that do not contain star systems, require
some additional game mechanics, or may be impossible.

Some Possible Campaign Effects:

Ships with powerful jump drives - such as the classic
Jump-3 Subsidized Liner - become even more useful, even
along routes that don't require their full jump
capability.  Their greater range of options as to where
they come out of jumpspace within a system can reduce
in-system travel times by days or weeks.

Ships will tend to do more in-system travelling,
allowing more opportunities for interesting encounters.

Ships have legitimate reason to appear in many locations
in a star system, as nearly the entire star system becomes
appropriate shipping lanes for traffic.  Thus patrol
becomes more difficult, and illicit activities by starship
crews become easier to perform.

If the main world of a system is far from the system primary
100 diameter limit, then there is more reason for colonies
and bases to be established away from the main world.

Walt Smith
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> 
> 
> --- Bill <beast@pacifier.com>
>> wrote:
>> I made a couple of posts to this list....I think.
>> 
>> Wonder where they went??
> 
> Well, this one went to Bosnia.  At least, that's where I found it.... ;-)
> 
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Good... I'm glad it went somewhere it could be read and mot gotten lost in
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Hello, have I got the correct address then?

Nick.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank G. Pitt [mailto:frankie@mundens.gen.nz]
> Sent: 05 April 2001 08:17
> To: tml@travellercentral.com
> Subject: RE: [TML] John M. Ford update
> 
> 
> He's also well known for his stint as book reviewer for White 
> Dwarf before
> it became a GW organ. One of the few reviewers I usually agreed with.
> 
> I found "The Dragon Waiting" a good book too.
> 
> Frankie

errr...

Wasn't Dave Langford the Book Reviewer for WD. His column was 'Critical
Mass' IIRC...

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Hello,
I'm looking for information on Vegans
Does anyone know if the Vegans can speak Anglic?
Is there a source for Vegan names?
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Thanks very much Rob - you were a great help at the various times that I ran
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I subscribed to the digest version yesterday but haven't
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In a message dated 4/5/01 1:29:25 AM, you wrote:

>> Not to quibble, but this is actually TML 3.0
>
>I got the impression there were more than that, or weren't they called 'The 
>TML'?

 I'm just counting list admin changes. If we count address changes and 
list-splitting, this would be at least 6.0 not counting the xboat list 
itself. At least one address change and several list-engine changes under 
James Perkins; Split lists later reunited, followed later by an address 
change under Rob, and now here. If we count "Not the TML!" and XBoat, that's 
two more. The special interest lists are numerous, some lost in the depths of 
the net, so I can't give an accurate number. I know firsthand of at least 4 
(deckplans,tne-rces (silent...), gdw-beta (now something else, got it's own 
2.0 going on), and Trav-SF) and have heard of others I don't sub to (trav 
culture, trav languages (same list?), 2300AD (which used to be part of the 
TML and may have multiples itself by now), Shipbuilders (aka THUDDD?), at 
least two incarnations of the HIWG list...).

If I missed your neat Traveller-related mailing list and you WANY publicity, 
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Looks like the new TML digest mode is up and running, though getting 200k of 
messages in one big chunk was kinda interesting. First and last messages are 
quite appropriate, too, though it looks like we missed the first few hours of 
list existence...

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The digest version is going out, but still needs some tweaking.  You'll
probably receive it soon.

Right now I'm generating a digest daily, is this OK?

Tod
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> I subscribed to the digest version yesterday but haven't
> received anything yet? Has the list just not received
> enough traffic to start a digest or am I having problems
> with my subscription?
>
> David Shayne    daveshayne@msn.com
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He also wrote the first draft of GT: Starports and has a new novel out in 
stores...I don't remember the title but there was a review of it in the 
Washington Post book world two weeks ago in the sci-fi fantasy column...

Mike
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Greetings,  A quick question to the digest readers.

We are currently sending out 1 digest per day.  How was this done on the old
TML?

How would digesters prefer it (daily, every x number of lines, etc.)

Thanks,

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Tod Glenn wrote:
> 
> The digest version is going out, but still needs some tweaking.  You'll
> probably receive it soon.
> 
> Right now I'm generating a digest daily, is this OK?

The old digest was set to daily or 32Kb, which ever came first I believe.
32Kb digests are much, much MUCH more reasonable than 200k ones.

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Hi, all!

The following people need to check their settings and stop spamming 
the list with HTML/MIME attachments:

>WLane@syncata.com

>"Tod Glenn" <webmaster@travellercentral.com>
(seems inconsistent: sometime MIME, sometimes not)

>Jesse Degraff" <jedegraf@cisco.com>

>  "Antony Farrell" <Skaran@bigpond.com>

>"steven" <steven@terra-australis-mandes.com.au>

>Steve Charlton <steve.charlton@ifsna.com>

A special award goes to Eric F. for sending an 8-bit encoded *font* 
to the list:
>Eric Freitas <efreitos@tampabay.rr.com>

...but he's already been taken to task for that.

Tod:  Is there any way you can set the listserver to strip ALL 
attachments from outgoing mail?

I'm sure you're very busy setting things up, but I note that the 
first digest I've received from this list is awfully *long*;  how 
often is it set to send out a digest?

Thanks for all your selfless work!

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--- "Tod Glenn" <webmaster@travellercentral.com>
> wrote:
>Greetings,  A quick question to the digest readers.
>
>We are currently sending out 1 digest per day.  How was this done on the old
>TML?

It was sent out when 30k or so had accumulated, but at least once per day.  

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Rupert Boleyn wrote:
> 
> On 4 Apr 2001, at 22:51, GypsyComet@aol.com wrote:
> 
> >
> > In a message dated 4/4/01 7:29:20 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > >Long Live the TML 2.0
> >
> > Not to quibble, but this is actually TML 3.0
> 
> I got the impression there were more than that, or weren't they called 'The
> TML'?

Well, according to the archives, the very original TML came out of James
Perkin's systems at SpectraPhysics. It then moved to a long-lived home
at engrg.uwo.ca (where it was when I first subscribed), and then to
Rob's old place, which was bough by/renamed ient.com, and is now at
travellercentral.

So technically speaking, this is either TML 4.0 or 5.0 depending on how
you look at it...


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Thanks, Glenn.

This darn Outlook I use at work.

BTW,I can set majordomo to send out digest after so many lines.  Any idea
home many lines of text is about 32k, or Rob M.  can you sendm me the old
majordomo config file for tml digests.

Tod
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> Hi, all!
>
> The following people need to check their settings and stop spamming
> the list with HTML/MIME attachments:
>
> >WLane@syncata.com
>
> >"Tod Glenn" <webmaster@travellercentral.com>
> (seems inconsistent: sometime MIME, sometimes not)
>
> >Jesse Degraff" <jedegraf@cisco.com>
>
> >  "Antony Farrell" <Skaran@bigpond.com>
>
> >"steven" <steven@terra-australis-mandes.com.au>
>
> >Steve Charlton <steve.charlton@ifsna.com>
>
> A special award goes to Eric F. for sending an 8-bit encoded *font*
> to the list:
> >Eric Freitas <efreitos@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> ...but he's already been taken to task for that.
>
> Tod:  Is there any way you can set the listserver to strip ALL
> attachments from outgoing mail?
>
> I'm sure you're very busy setting things up, but I note that the
> first digest I've received from this list is awfully *long*;  how
> often is it set to send out a digest?
>
> Thanks for all your selfless work!
>
> Best,
>
>   +GMG+
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First, my thanks to Rob Miracle for his work at
making the TML available.  Ever since I discovered
it, it has been one of my favorite online communities.
Most of the RPG work I've been able to share with the
world on the web has found motivation from the people
I've met on the TML, and I know my gaming is better and
my life more interesting for being here.  You're an aptly
named individual, Mr. Miracle.

Now that "here" is elsewhere (travellercentral, to be
specific), I'm glad to continue on, and look forward
to more of the best while Todd is at the helm.

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> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:12:17 -0400
> From: "daveshayne" <daveshayne@email.msn.com>
> Subject: Is this getting through?
> 
> I subscribed to the digest version yesterday but haven't
> received anything yet? Has the list just not received
> enough traffic to start a digest or am I having problems
> with my subscription?

Got the first digest a half hour after posting all over the 
place about it. Sorry to annoy all the fora about this.

Some business. Thank you to Rob for the TML in the
past. Thanks also to Tod so the TML may continue 
(though if you could find a way to disable the mime in 
your mailer so that us digested types don't have to wade 
through all of that header nonsense it would be 
appreciated.) Best wishes for a speedy recovery John.

Now for some game content. I've been toying with the 
Idea of using the Striker rules as the basis for the combat
system in my upcoming CT campaign but I have a bit of a 
problem with the damage conversions. It's just to grainy 
for role playing. Has anybody used these rules in their 
games? And if so how did you work damage?

David Shayne


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Dave McKenna <Dave.McKenna@MurrayState.edu> wrote:
>Okay, I guess I'll decloak, jump on the Newbie bandwagon, and
>request my newbie essay assignment.

Hi Dave...welcome aboard!

Newbie Essay Assignment:  In your opinion, are deep-penetration
commerce raiders a good expenditure of resources for an
interstellar navy?  Approach the question from a political,
military, and logistical point of view, and feel free to use
specific (future-)historical settings in your analysis.

Hmmm...maybe a compilation of newbie essays *would* be
a good reason to go a'hunting through the TML archives...

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I have set a limit on digest size to 1000 lines.  Let me know if this is too
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Very helpful - I don't have a copy of the standard codes, so if you
have a complete list I'll add them all.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tml@travellercentral.com
> [mailto:owner-tml@travellercentral.com]On Behalf Of Trevor, Peter
> Sent: 05 April 2001 13:23
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> Subject: RE: [TML] Traveller XML - astrogation
>
>
> Mark Preston wrote:
> > <!--Major political entities-->
> > <power id="Imp" desc="Imperium"/>
> > <power id="In" desc="Independant world"/>
> > <power id="Dar" desc="Darrian Confederation"/>
> > <power id="Zho" desc="Zhodani Consulate (or Zhodani controlled)"/>
> > <power id="Swd" desc="Sword Worlds Confederation member world"/>
>
> Shouldn't these all be the *standard* 2-letter codes:
> <!--Major political entities-->
> <power id="Im" desc="Imperium"/>
> <power id="Na" desc="Non-aligned world"/>
> <power id="Da" desc="Darrian Confederation"/>
> <power id="Zh" desc="Zhodani Consulate (or Zhodani controlled)"/>
> <power id="Sw" desc="Sword Worlds Confederation member world"/>
>
> ?
>
> Regards PLST
> (aka Stalin)
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Thanks for the feedback already received from the first example - a
hell of a fast response...have you people been waiting for me to get
results out or something? Anyway (with apologies to Ben for mucking
around with Trin - its your landgrab, Ben, just ignore my stuff except
as an example) the second example follows.

As you will see, the "<planet>" tag is changed in this to the full
version "<body>" tag - a "type" attribute is used to show what kind of
system body it is. This second example is a moon and there are more
questions about this example since I have yet to find a canon
definition of what UPP codes can apply to a moon. There are several
things to note about this example and to think about as well as those
for the planet type I posted a couple of days ago.

1. The "survey" date is not the same as for the main planet - the XML
allows us to have different times of exploration for _any_ system
object.
2. For this one, I have shown notes in the "<status>" part of the data
to show how we can add general information.
3. There are two "<starport>" tags this time, showing how we can use
them to show changes - in this case, building a new starport for
"smuggling" trade.
4. Moons are currently limited to size 0, 1 or 2. Is that ok?
5. Atmospheres on moons are restricted to 0-3,A,B and C. Is that ok?
6. Hydrographics for moons are restricted to 0 or 1. Is that ok?
7. Populations for moons can be up to 7. Is that ok?

The restricted UPP codes are based on our current knowledge of the
solar system. Any advice on changes to these would be very helpful.

<<<===System body section - moon===>>>

<body id="TV0805-1" name="Sotana" hex="0805" type="moon"
survey="0422">
	<status from="0850" to="1090" xboat="true" zone="Amber"
trade="Ind">The sole, tiny, moon of Trin was first occupied in 0847 by
a small company that had failed to establish a secure base on the
planetary suface. Initially established as a small industrial
manufacturing base, it rapidly grew to be the main industrial centre
of Trin system.</status>
	<starport code="X" from="0850" to="1090">Equipped for intrasystem
shuttles only, primarily for cargo transfer to Trin spaceports but
also some provision for in-system mining vessels.</starport>
	<starport code="C" from="1091" to="1200">Completed in 1091, the
Sotana starport is an extension to the original intra-system spaceport
constructed by Zohan Industries in 0850. Intersystem trade through
this port is frowned upon by the Trin authorities but it is the only
location in the system from which industrial exports can be traded
directly. Although trade from this port avoids the SPA surchages
applied on Trin itself, products remain expensive compared to the
generally available Imperium prices.</starport>
	<size code="1">Diameter 1,021 miles.
Density 3.75 g/cc
Mass 0.24 earths
Gravity 0.12g</size>
	<atmosphere code="0">No external atmosphere.
Habitat regions maintained at pressure (0.8 atm) and moderate
tempurature (7.5 C).</atmosphere>
	<hydrographic code="0">No free-standing water. Extraction facilities
exist for "water mining" from the sub-surface rocks.</hydrographic>
	<population code="5">After rapid growth in the early years,
population was stabilised by executive decree in 0911 at 155,000
employees.</population>
	<government code="1">Sole Institution:-
1. Legislative and Executive (Zohan Industrial Board of Trustees)
Succession is by proportion of company shareholding only.
2. Judicial (Zohan Employee Management Council)
Positions held by appointment from the Board of Trustees and nominally
for a period of 5 years. In practice, members of the Council only
leave their positions as a result of changes on the Board of Trustees
(political intrigue).</government>
	<law code="8">Following the Air Services War of 0897 to 0898,
strictly enforced laws were introduced by the Board. These laws are
concerned particularly with weapons control, employment and
contractual law and essential service responsibilities.
Nominally, the legislative authority operates under grant of rights
from the Companies and Unions council but no effort has been made by
the House of Arahilli to enforce that limitation since the end of the
Air Services War.</law>
	<technology code="A">Availability of technologically advanced
artifacts is restricted to the more senior Zohan employees. Most of
the inhabitants have extremely limited access to high technology,
despite the artificial nature of the colony.</technology>
</body>

<<<===End of example===>>>
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IMHO, InterBase is better but it has a security hole (though there is
a patch on the Borland site now, I think). OTOH, mySQL is simple to
use (with mySQLFront) and very efficient.

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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Glenn Grant wrote:

> A special award goes to Eric F. for sending an 8-bit encoded *font* 
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> ...but he's already been taken to task for that.

I hope this does not mean that I am going to get bitched at for using
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I have no intention of getting an English mail reader just to do replies
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Reposted to both TMLs, since the IENT one went down before the last posting
appeared...



Freelance Traveller, the Electronic Fan-Supported Traveller Resource has
posted its most recent update to http://come.to/FreelanceTraveller and
http://www.downport.com/freelancetraveller/.  

No, it's not a joke - we really are posting a serious update on this date.

In this update:

 - Some minor corrections and additions to Ken Pick's article on naming
   ships.

 - One more website has been reviewed in LinkLooks.

 - Chapter fourteen of _The_Hostile_Stars_, Fred Ramen's ongoing serial
   story, has been posted to Raconteur's Rest. 

 - Updates to the FAQ and published product lists in the Information Center
   to reflect recent SJGames production.

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> If I missed your neat Traveller-related mailing list and you
> WANY publicity,
> NOW is the time to mention it!!!!!

OK, I'm mentioning it...  After all, there are only 155 of us on the
ct-starships list, and our list volume peaked in February at only 946
messages, but we keep getting forgotten!

The Classic Traveller starships list was founded by yours truly on 1/21/1999
and has had a solid, reasonable signal to noise ratio (although April is
traditionally a low volume month) over the last two plus years.

This is the list where there is no Traveller but Classic Traveller, and High
Guard is its' starship design and combat system.  If being able to whip out
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TML The New Era?

I would just like to echo the sentiments others have offered and offer up my
own thanks to everyone that makes this list work, post wonderful things that
make me embrace "Nicolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky" and post things that make me
dry out my keyboard.  For everyone that has done these things in the past
and to all who do so in the future, my heartfelt thanks.

This list and it's members have made me think, have provided me with great
distraction when i have needed it and not, and have let me learn.

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At 04:54 PM 4/5/2001 +0000, Mike wrote:
>He also wrote the first draft of GT: Starports and has a new novel out in 
>stores...I don't remember the title but there was a review of it in the 
>Washington Post book world two weeks ago in the sci-fi fantasy column...

His new book is 'The Last Hot Time'.  It sounds vaguely Shadowrun-ish, 
elves and magic have reappeared in the modern world.  It is sitting on my 
stack of books to read when (IF) I ever get the time between classes.

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At 10:38 AM 4/5/2001 -0400, Walt Smith wrote:
>Since I mentioned Jump Vortices in another post
>on the ct-starships list, I thought it would be well
>if I explained what I was talking about.
>
>[To the TML: I've mentioned this subject before, but
>we've got new people aboard since then, and isn't it
>about time for a good jumpspace discussion anyway? (-:  ]
>
>The following idea is largely based on an old JTAS article,
>but I unfortunately read it so long ago that the title,
>date and author escapes me.  If anyone recalls who
>originated this idea, please chime in.  I've added
>bits and pieces to the idea over the years, but the
>bits are really more extrapolations than major revisions.

It was probably 'Port to Jump-point' by Leroy Guatney from JTAS 22.

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At 10:41 AM 4/5/2001 +0100, Phil wrote:

>Anyway I was delighted recently, when I found that my local shop had stocks of
>FFE's reprint of the LBBS (now Little Portly Black Books?)...

I think we have taken to calling them FBB (Floppy Black Books).

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I know several Vegans.  They speak English (after a fashion).  Most of
them have names like "Moonbeam" and "Stardust."

;^)>

--- "Alan R. Chambers" <alanross@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm looking for information on Vegans
> Does anyone know if the Vegans can speak Anglic?
> Is there a source for Vegan names?
> Thanks
> Alan
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I've been trying to copy the Archives at the List Archive site, but not only
is it painfully slow (one folder took over 8 hours), it's also not very
consistant of connection.  Still trying though.  I have one folder that has
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I have set a limit on digest size to 1000 lines.  Let me know if this is too
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At 02:12 PM 4/5/2001 -0400, David Shayne wrote:
>Now for some game content. I've been toying with the
>Idea of using the Striker rules as the basis for the combat
>system in my upcoming CT campaign but I have a bit of a
>problem with the damage conversions. It's just to grainy
>for role playing. Has anybody used these rules in their
>games? And if so how did you work damage?

Issue 16 of JTAS had an article covering this.  If you don't have access to 
it let me know offlist and I can get you the information.

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On 5 Apr 2001, at 7:27, AuricTech Shipyards wrote:

> Would some kind soul please post the link to the site from which I can download
> Galactic 2.4?  I have a new laptop which desperately needs this outstanding
> program.

http://members.aol.com/jimvassila

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On 5 Apr 2001, at 10:57, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> Rupert Boleyn wrote:
> > 
> > On 4 Apr 2001, at 22:51, GypsyComet@aol.com wrote:
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> > > In a message dated 4/4/01 7:29:20 PM, you wrote:
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> > > >Long Live the TML 2.0
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> > > Not to quibble, but this is actually TML 3.0
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> 
> Well, according to the archives, the very original TML came out of James
> Perkin's systems at SpectraPhysics. It then moved to a long-lived home
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:13:55 -0700 (PDT), AuricTech Shipyards
<aurictech@esweeet.com> wrote:

>Would some kind soul please post the link to the site from which I can
>download Galactic 2.4?  I have a new laptop which desperately needs this
>outstanding program.

>I already know where I can find Heaven and Earth. ;-)

There's a link to it in the Freelance Traveller Computer Connection, in the
Traveller Software for DOS and Windows subsection.

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> Newbie Essay Assignment:  In your opinion, are deep-penetration
> commerce raiders a good expenditure of resources for an
> interstellar navy?

Hey, I like that one.  :-)  Thanks, I'm all over it...
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Two digests just wandered into my mailbox. #95 (eh?) was about 20k, #96 about 
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In a message dated 4/5/01 1:24:47 PM, Kiri wrote:

>I hope this does not mean that I am going to get bitched at for using
>iso-2022-jp (I think) encoding when I write email from home and not work.

This message came through sans attachments or funny business, Kiri, and I 
don't recall getting sh...tuff from your posts before.

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They seem to have a large embassy, consulate or other presence here in the
SF Bay Area.

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Gerry Harris wrote:

> I know several Vegans.  They speak English (after a fashion).  Most of
> them have names like "Moonbeam" and "Stardust."
> 
> ;^)>
> 
> --- "Alan R. Chambers" <alanross@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > I'm looking for information on Vegans
> > Does anyone know if the Vegans can speak Anglic?
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In a message dated 4/5/01 1:46:26 PM, you wrote:

>> Newbie Essay Assignment:  In your opinion, are deep-penetration
>
>> commerce raiders a good expenditure of resources for an
>
>> interstellar navy?
>
>
>
>Hey, I like that one.  :-)  Thanks, I'm all over it...

Alright. Obviously the TML-Topic-o-matic's compatibility rating's been 
compromised. It isn't supposed to produce topics that the subject LIKES.

Ooops. is this a public letter?
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> > Newbie Essay Assignment:  In your opinion, are deep-penetration
> > commerce raiders a good expenditure of resources for an
> > interstellar navy?
>
> Hey, I like that one.  :-)  Thanks, I'm all over it...
> ----
>
Wow!  It's so nice to see a really happy newbie.   :)


Pronto
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On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 07:59 AM, knightsky@juno.com wrote:

>> IIRC (I'm at work right now, so I can't double check) John M. Ford
>> wrote GT Starports.
>>
>> Also, was he the one who wrote "The Yellow Clearance Black Box
>> Blues" for Paranoia?
>>
>
> He also, IIRC, wrote the Star Trek novel "How Much For Just The 
> Planet?".

You folk should read "Growing Up Weightless", one of his finer novels. 
You can get a fairly good bibliography here: 
<http://www.sfsite.com/isfdbbin/exact_author.cgi?John_M._Ford>

Most of his books are reasonably easy to come by, and most are worth 
reading.

Gordon.

PS: somebody please confirm that I _am_ posting plain text - I'm not 
sure I trust this MacOS X Mail.app yet...
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 GypsyComet@aol.com wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 4/5/01 1:24:47 PM, Kiri wrote:
> 
> >I hope this does not mean that I am going to get bitched at for using
> >iso-2022-jp (I think) encoding when I write email from home and not work.
> 
> This message came through sans attachments or funny business, Kiri, and I 
> don't recall getting sh...tuff from your posts before.
> 
This message, and that one, came from Pine-- at work, where I telnet into 
my shell account instead of downloading posts and replying.  But if you
haven't had a problem before you probably won't now.

Users of Outlook Express frequently report that it tries to download
Microsoft Japanese IME when they receive my posts from home, despite the
fact that there aren't any Japanese characters in them normally-- there'd
be no point in putting Japanese characters in posts to people that can't
read Japanese.  This is a bug in Outlook and not my fault.  If you don't
want it to happen, go to Tools-Options-International Settings and tell
Outlook so.

Kiri

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If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away
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In mail you write:

> On Thursday, April 5, 2001, at 03:03  pm, Rob wrote:
>
>>>
>>> He also, IIRC, wrote the Star Trek novel "How Much For Just The 
>>> Planet?".
>>>
>>
>> This is the only Trek book I own ... and has some really classic 
>> moments...but dropping a group of PC's onto a planet like the one in 
>> the book could go two ways...A) they boggle and leave or
>
> This is what transporter (or manouver drive, or TARDIS) malfunctions are 
> for. :-)
>
>> B) they smile evil smiles and outdo
>> the locals...depends on their singing ability...
>
> This is what onion-skin plots are for. :-)

I still get a laugh out of the golf course.

Sign at one of the tees:

Hazards: Woods left, Minefield right.

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In mail you write:

> Frank G. Pitt wrote:
>> 
>> A local tourist operator in Christchurch is still flying a 1930's DC 3
>> (civilian C47 Dakota). It was used for top-dressing back in the sixties.
>
> DC3's are still flying all over the place, and firmly hold all world
> records for length of service. Air and Space Magazine did a cover story
> on 'em last year (November-ish)...there's a company that's gutting them,
> refurbishing them and sticking turboprop engines in 'em. They're used
> for ELINT and drug interdiction in Colombia and other places around the
> world.
>
> Delta Airlines just completely restored one of their first ones as the
> new company flagship.
>
> Probably the best constructed aircraft ever made, though the Boeing 727
> comes in a close second.

Aircraft have "type acceptances". That is, in addition to having been
serviced and maintained properly, a plane's *type* must still have a
valid acceptance on record. 

They kept extending the deadline after which DC-3s would no longer be
accepted. Finally, they gave up and issued an *unlimited* acceptance.
First ever, though I hear a couple other designs have been given them
since.

So, as far as the FAA is concerned, a properly maintained DC-3 will be
flyable *forever*.

I also seem to recall hearing talk about opening up a production line
to start making them again! There are just too many in service, and
they are just too damned useful.

This is why I fully expect that there wull be some "workshorse" type
spaceships and starships in a similar situation.

Picture a ship hundreds of years old, but still in service. Maybe even
one that's over a thousand years old. Of course, the only part that's
still original is the builder's plate, but since it's never had more
than (say) 10% of the ship replaced at any given overhaul, it's still
the "same" ship.

And given the way various navies *now* have sailing ships for training
cadets, I expect that there may be training ships equipped with NERVA
drives or even *chemical* rockets. 

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In mail you write:

> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jones, Dean wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday 27 March 2001 19:11, you wrote:
>> > The tactile feedback could be supplied through a pair of gloves. The 
> fiber
>> > of the gloves could be controlled to supply resistance and even an
>> > opposing
>> > force. The gloves could extend up the arm as a sleeve if a larger range 
> of
>> > force was needed like working a ship's control levers. It could even form
>> > complete suit for foot controls, etc. Materials with those properties are
>> > not too far beyond current capabilities.
>> 
>> As a step further, professionals could get surgery to have a tactile 
> implant
>> placed in each hand.  Power for the tactile implant would come from the
>> control that is being used broadcast on RF.  The implant would have several
>> capabilities:  
>> 
>> 1. intercept the tactile nerves and retransmit modified signals to the
>> brain.
>> 
>> 2. intercept the motor control nerves to the fingers and synthesize new 
>> control signals that would cause the fingers to stop or slow down 
> depending 
>> upon the hardness of the material being simulated.   This would simulate 
>> touching a hard or soft surface.
>> 
>> 3.  The chip has two different power sources:
>>       a.  RF (just like ID chips)
>>       b.  Production of ATP to power nano-generators, utilizing hosts blood
>>             supply.
>> 
>> RF power must be provided by all holo-dynamic controlls.  This higher 
> power 
>> is needed to run the digital signal processors that synthesize the new 
> nerve
>> signals.  When RF power is not present, the power generated by ATP 
> synthesis
>> is sufficient to pass the normal nerve signals and keep the chip in 
> standby 
>> mode.
>> 
>
> And then what can you make someone do if you hack it?
>
> bwhahahah.

Making the hands/arms move, rather than merely providing even "force
feedback" is a *lot* harder.

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In mail you write:

> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Zane H. Healy wrote:
>
>> >As most of you have noticed, the old TML list server has been down quite a
>> >while.
>> 
>> Actually no....  When did it go down?  What happened?
>> 
> It's a sad thing when the TML list server goes down, and I don't.
>
> Kiri, lol

I'm *not* going there.... :-)

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In mail you write:

> At 07:11 AM 04/04/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hello Everyone:
>>  Not really.
>>  As he sits here with the oven set at 350degF, chopping onions to add to
> the 
>>mix of fine bread crumbs, seasonings and spices.  Lets see, coat breast of
> bird 
>>with clarified butter, roll in bread crumb mixture, bake for 22 minutes
> (33 min 
>>for med, 44 for large) at 350 and serve with baby carrots ( spiced with a
> small 
>>amount of garlic, dill, and other spices) and rice.
>
> Listen buddy, you want to coat *my* breast with that, you are damn well
> buying me dinner and taking me dancing first!
>
> Penguin Boy, not cheap, but I can be had.

Ok. You coming up for Westercon?

(Hmmm. I think I need a new dress... :-)

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Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:
> I hope this does not mean that I am going to get bitched at for using
> iso-2022-jp (I think) encoding when I write email from home and not work.
> I have no intention of getting an English mail reader just to do replies
> to the TML when this is an *international* list and when Japanese email
> programs handle English so much better than English ones handle Japanese.

That's not the same thing, so don't worry  :-)

You encode some characters differently. Much the same (only less common
characters here in the "West") as if I post using Scandinavian characters
(). If your software doesn't understand how to display those characters
properly, you'll see different characters.

An encoded font is, in effect, instructions on how to draw the characters.
Pictures of the letters if you will.

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AuricTech Shipyards wrote:
> So, do we reset everyone's keyboard kills to zero, because of the new TML?

Dead keyboards cannot and will not be reincarnated.

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Test.

Regards PLST
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Ya' lost me there man.  My e-mail is set to plain text, not html.....

Jesse



> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-tml@travellercentral.com]On Behalf Of Glenn Grant
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> 
> Hi, all!
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> The following people need to check their settings and stop spamming 
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> >WLane@syncata.com
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> >"Tod Glenn" <webmaster@travellercentral.com>
> (seems inconsistent: sometime MIME, sometimes not)
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> >Jesse Degraff" <jedegraf@cisco.com>
> 
> >  "Antony Farrell" <Skaran@bigpond.com>
> 
> >"steven" <steven@terra-australis-mandes.com.au>
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> 
> A special award goes to Eric F. for sending an 8-bit encoded *font* 
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> >Eric Freitas <efreitos@tampabay.rr.com>
> 
> ...but he's already been taken to task for that.
> 
> Tod:  Is there any way you can set the listserver to strip ALL 
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> I'm sure you're very busy setting things up, but I note that the 
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Someone should also grab all the old AD&D files and such from there.  Its 
the old Greyhawk archive that was booted off of a college site years ago.

Rob


At 02:11 PM 4/5/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>In mail you write:
>
> > I initiated a FULL backup of 'Traveller' at MPGN.  It is quite large.
> > If anyone has a permanent repository for it, or if anyone needs any part
> > of it, please don't hesitate to contact me directly.
>
>How big is it? If nothing else, I can grab it at work and store it on a
>Jaz cartridge.
>
>--
>Leonard Erickson (aka shadow{G})
>  shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
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> He also, IIRC, wrote the Star Trek novel "How Much For Just The 
> Planet?".


I LOVE THAT BOOK! it is the only one I ever ready that was like a musical. I
still have one of the "songs" memorized from that book.

Rolling rolling rolling
Keep your camel going
Let the non coms know if you Tire!

Its Hard to be Nomadic
When there is no Automatic
Retirement Pension after Sixty-five!!!

Sung to the tune of Raw Hide 8P

If anyone knows him tell him I STILL have that Book! is one of the best i
ever read. had me rolling in laughter ther whole time. and ask him what
tunes the other songs are suppose to be sung to LOL




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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Jesse Degraff wrote:

> Ya' lost me there man.  My e-mail is set to plain text, not html.....
> 
If you have Outlook or Outlook Express, you must turn off your default
stationery (of which you may not be aware, as it is a white background
with black text) BEFORE you convert from html to plain text, or it will
still send your mail in html.

Kiri 
******************************************************************************
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God
tiamat@tsoft.com

"If time passes, everything turns into beauty
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away
Everything starts wearing fresh colors
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN

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> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:26:09 -0700
> From: "Tod Glenn" <webmaster@travellercentral.com>
> Subject: TML Digest Size
>
> I have set a limit on digest size to 1000 lines.  Let me know if this is
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> Thanks.
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> Tod

Sure thing.

David Shayne

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Am using Outlook, but stationary is <none>, and was that way by default (our
preload image is like that AFAIK).  I never even touched the text &
stationary when I started here, just verified that it was plain text....

Jesse




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>
> On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Jesse Degraff wrote:
>
> > Ya' lost me there man.  My e-mail is set to plain text, not html.....
> >
> If you have Outlook or Outlook Express, you must turn off your default
> stationery (of which you may not be aware, as it is a white background
> with black text) BEFORE you convert from html to plain text, or it will
> still send your mail in html.
>
> Kiri
> ******************************************************************
> ************
> Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God
> tiamat@tsoft.com
>
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could everyone please turn off mime format or html.  It makes the digest
version hard to read.

Thanks

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Just for fun, go in, select NO STATIONERY, and then turn your formatting
to plaintext again.  This should correct the problem.

Kiri  (I've done this on half the machines in this office)


On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Jesse Degraff wrote:

> Am using Outlook, but stationary is <none>, and was that way by default (our
> preload image is like that AFAIK).  I never even touched the text &
> stationary when I started here, just verified that it was plain text....
> 
> Jesse
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-tml@travellercentral.com
> > [mailto:owner-tml@travellercentral.com]On Behalf Of Kiri Aradia Morgan
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:54 PM
> > To: tml@travellercentral.com
> > Subject: RE: [TML] Attachments
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Jesse Degraff wrote:
> >
> > > Ya' lost me there man.  My e-mail is set to plain text, not html.....
> > >
> > If you have Outlook or Outlook Express, you must turn off your default
> > stationery (of which you may not be aware, as it is a white background
> > with black text) BEFORE you convert from html to plain text, or it will
> > still send your mail in html.
> >
> > Kiri
> > ******************************************************************
> > ************
> > Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God
> > tiamat@tsoft.com
> >
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> > If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away
> > Everything starts wearing fresh colors
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That any better?
Jesse

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tml@travellercentral.com
> [mailto:owner-tml@travellercentral.com]On Behalf Of Kiri Aradia Morgan
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:28 PM
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> 
> 
> Just for fun, go in, select NO STATIONERY, and then turn your formatting
> to plaintext again.  This should correct the problem.
> 
> Kiri  (I've done this on half the machines in this office)

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GNiko wrote:

>Eric Freitas wrote:
>
>> Phil,
>>         Try this for the Vilani font.  It should work just by putting
it into your
>
>> Eric Freitas
>
>Could someone fill me up on the list's rules about attachments?

Please don't do attachments, they mess up the digest.

Charles H

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Yup!

In a message dated 4/5/01 4:46:02 PM, you wrote:

>That any better?
>Jesse
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-tml@travellercentral.com
>> [mailto:owner-tml@travellercentral.com]On Behalf Of Kiri Aradia Morgan
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>> 
>> 
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>> Kiri  (I've done this on half the machines in this office)
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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 knightsky@juno.com wrote:

> <aurictech@esweeet.com> writes:
> > 
> > 
> > IIRC (I'm at work right now, so I can't double check) John M. Ford 
> > wrote GT Starports.
> > 
> > Also, was he the one who wrote "The Yellow Clearance Black Box 
> > Blues" for Paranoia?
> > 
> 
> He also, IIRC, wrote the Star Trek novel "How Much For Just The Planet?".
> 
And another Star Trek novel called "The Final Reflection" which I
absolutely love.  And "Web of Angels" which was cyberpunk before cyberpunk
was KeWl.  And "The Dragon Waiting", a world in which Julian the Apostate
won (for which I fell in love with him).  And oh, tons of other stuff,
every bit of it heart-wrenchingly good.  "Alternities" which made me ooh
ooh ooh! on the list.  He was one of the writers on a favorite alternate
universe independent comic of mine, "Captain Confederacy".  I read
everything he writes as soon as I can get my hot little hands on it.  He's
a master stylist and he can write ANYTHING and he's in my little writerly
pantheon with Ozaki Yutaka, Sei Shounagon, Yoshimoto Banana, Murakami Ryu
(not the overrated Haruki), Nakagami Kenji, Allen Steele, Poppy Z.
Brite, John Crowley, and...

oh, just buy the goddamned books, every last one of them, you'll thank me.

Kiri  ^_^

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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Gordon Hundley wrote:

> You folk should read "Growing Up Weightless", one of his finer novels. 
> You can get a fairly good bibliography here: 
> <http://www.sfsite.com/isfdbbin/exact_author.cgi?John_M._Ford>
> 
> Most of his books are reasonably easy to come by, and most are worth 
> reading.

They are all worth reading, and many of them have brought me to tears.
I'm elated that there is a new one out.  I'll have to go and buy it at
once.

Kiri  ^_^

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Cool.  <damn wonky M$ product!!!>  How 'bout from here at home?
Jesse


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tml@travellercentral.com
> [mailto:owner-tml@travellercentral.com]On Behalf Of GypsyComet@aol.com
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> 
> 
> Yup!
> 
> In a message dated 4/5/01 4:46:02 PM, you wrote:
> 
> >That any better?
> >Jesse
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-tml@travellercentral.com
> >> [mailto:owner-tml@travellercentral.com]On Behalf Of Kiri Aradia Morgan
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:28 PM
> >> To: tml@travellercentral.com
> >> Subject: RE: [TML] Attachments
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Just for fun, go in, select NO STATIONERY, and then turn your 
> formatting
> >> to plaintext again.  This should correct the problem.
> >> 
> >> Kiri  (I've done this on half the machines in this office)
> >
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But that's not fair to all the WebTV posters..<evil snicker>


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could everyone please turn off mime format or html.  It makes the digest
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Thanks

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I would, Leonard.  Kiri is CUTE. :)

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In mail you write:

> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Zane H. Healy wrote:
>
>> >As most of you have noticed, the old TML list server has been down quite
a
>> >while.
>>
>> Actually no....  When did it go down?  What happened?
>>
> It's a sad thing when the TML list server goes down, and I don't.
>
> Kiri, lol

I'm *not* going there.... :-)

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I've never seen a picture of Kiri :(

> I would, Leonard.  Kiri is CUTE. :)
> 
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> 
> In mail you write:
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>>> 
>>> Actually no....  When did it go down?  What happened?
>>> 
>> It's a sad thing when the TML list server goes down, and I don't.
>> 
>> Kiri, lol
> 
> I'm *not* going there.... :-)
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A day trip would be cool - When/where is it? (or just a URL - I am lazy
right now..)

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On Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:58 PM
Tod Glenn said,

> Any list members going to Seattle this Easter weekend for NorWesCon.

I might be day tripping it on Saturday, if my paycheck arrives before then.

G.D.D.
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PLOP!
pinging for penguins>>>>>>>>>>
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They had some on the web a bit ago, one of the 'Cons I believe.  Kiri is
quite an attractive woman.  Maybe someone here will repost the URL?

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I've never seen a picture of Kiri :(

> I would, Leonard.  Kiri is CUTE. :)
>
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> I'm *not* going there.... :-)
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Last BayCon's pics are here:
http://www.vision-forge-graphics.com/jesse/traveller/baycon_2000.htm

Jesse



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> 
> I've never seen a picture of Kiri :(
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> > I would, Leonard.  Kiri is CUTE. :)
> > 
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> > 
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> He was one of the writers on a favorite alternate
> universe independent comic of mine, "Captain Confederacy".  

I thought Will Shetterly wrote Captain Confederacy.


Perry
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On Thursday 05 April 2001 08:58, you wrote:
> Eric Freitas wrote:
> > Phil,
> >         Try this for the Vilani font.  It should work just by putting it
> > into your
> >
> > Eric Freitas
>
> Could someone fill me up on the list's rules about attachments?
>
> GNiko


Err, much humble apologies to the entire list.  Thought that I was only 
sending it to Phil...

<much bowing and scraping...>

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WOW!  I had no idea that little comment would go so far!

lol!  OK, here goes:
http://www.vision-forge-graphics.com/jesse/traveller/baycon_2000.htm

I am the girl wearing the black, grey and red Imperial snooty noble getup.

You can also see me on this page:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/2878/index_new.html

Go to Picture Gallery and then go to Spring Hanami Picnic.  I'm the girl who
is obviously not 100% Japanese (unlike most of the others).

From: J-Man <jman31415@home.com>


>They had some on the web a bit ago, one of the 'Cons I believe.  Kiri is
quite an attractive woman.  Maybe someone here will repost the URL?
>
>From: owner-tml@travellercentral.com On Behalf Of Bill
>
>I've never seen a picture of Kiri :(
>
>> I would, Leonard.  Kiri is CUTE. :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>On Behalf Of Leonard Erickson
>>
>> In mail you write:
>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Zane H. Healy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As most of you have noticed, the old TML list server has been down
quite a while.
>>>>>
>>>> Actually no....  When did it go down?  What happened?
>>>>
>>> It's a sad thing when the TML list server goes down, and I don't.
>>>
>>> Kiri, lol
>>
>> I'm *not* going there.... :-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kiri Aradia Morgan      93!      Thou Art God...
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"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is
sacred somewhere.  There's a deity out there who digs it.  You can respect
and love your darkest side, disposing of only what is obsolete or
impractical.  It's all about giving yourself permission."
                                -- Jack Darkhand


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On Thursday 05 April 2001 15:59, you wrote:
> I know several Vegans.  They speak English (after a fashion).  Most of
> them have names like "Moonbeam" and "Stardust."
>
> ;^)>


Really?  I think I can top that...  My step-brother is legaly "Optimism One", 
and yes he was a Vegan last I heard...
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In a message dated 4/5/01 5:48:47 PM, you wrote:

>Cool.  <damn wonky M$ product!!!>  How 'bout from here at home?
>
>Jesse
>

Also cool, aside from the list footers stacked three deep...

GC
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Jesse wrote:

> Ya' lost me there man.  My e-mail is set to plain text, not html.....

your html post was a reply to an html post,  It appears that if you
recieve and reply to an html message, your reply is automatically an
html post.  I don't use outlook so I can say anything to help.

Charles H

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From: knightsky@juno.com <knightsky@juno.com>


>> He was one of the writers on a favorite alternate
>> universe independent comic of mine, "Captain Confederacy".
>
>I thought Will Shetterly wrote Captain Confederacy.
>
Yes, but not all by himself.  There were other writers and they are credited
on the issues they contributed to.  John M. Ford wrote most of an issue.

Kiri  ^_^

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<Mel Gibson>
Oops...
</Mel Gibson>

:)
Jesse


> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> 
> In a message dated 4/5/01 5:48:47 PM, you wrote:
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> >Cool.  <damn wonky M$ product!!!>  How 'bout from here at home?
> >
> >Jesse
> >
> 
> Also cool, aside from the list footers stacked three deep...
> 
> GC

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There isn't any other way to get the Traveller archives than the MPGN site?
I'm lucky if I can grab 3 small files at a time before the connection times
out and resets.

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In a message dated 4/5/01 5:48:47 PM, you wrote:

>Cool.  <damn wonky M$ product!!!>  How 'bout from here at home?
>
>Jesse
>

Also cool, aside from the list footers stacked three deep...

GC
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on 4/5/01 6:26 PM, Tsykoduk at Tsykoduk@bigfoot.com wrote:

> A day trip would be cool - When/where is it? (or just a URL - I am lazy
> right now..)

April 12-15 at the doubletree at seatac airport.  See
http://www.norwescon.org

Tod

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Digest #97 weighs in at 68k...

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I was able to get all 4574 files (168mb) in a few hours on Monday night. It
was a bit slower than good commercial sites, but adequate. Paul Sanders was
downloading at the same time. What I got only went back to 1996, though. Did
I hear right that there is more someplace?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tml@travellercentral.com
> There isn't any other way to get the Traveller archives than the
> MPGN site?
> I'm lucky if I can grab 3 small files at a time before the
> connection times
> out and resets.
> the web form at http://tml.travellercentral.com.

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In the Traveller directory look for two directories with names that start 
with "old". Those have the TML and XBoat for 94 and 95.

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In a message dated 4/5/01 8:38:53 PM, you wrote:

>I was able to get all 4574 files (168mb) in a few hours on Monday night. It
>was a bit slower than good commercial sites, but adequate. Paul Sanders was
>downloading at the same time. What I got only went back to 1996, though. Did
>I hear right that there is more someplace?
>
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For some reason this came to me personally.  Luckily I do use Outlook at
work, and I know what the answer is.  Jesse, you have set your email options
to reply in the same format as what you are replying to.  Do change that!


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles R Hensley <hensley.cr@gte.net>


>Jesse wrote:
>
>> Ya' lost me there man.  My e-mail is set to plain text, not html.....
>>
>your html post was a reply to an html post,  It appears that if you recieve
and reply to an html message, your reply is automatically an html post.  I
don't use outlook so I can say anything to help.


Kiri

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impractical.  It's all about giving yourself permission."
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I've heard several nice things about Rob during the last day or so 
regarding help with problems, keeping the list up, etc.  I'm afraid I 
didn't notice ANY of his helpfulness, etc.  Why?  The list stayed up - and 
that's probably the best compliment one could pay him - the list was up and 
it worked!  Thanks Rob...


Bill Rutherford
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Okay, ya' got me.  How do I change that?
Jesse



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tml@travellercentral.com
> [mailto:owner-tml@travellercentral.com]On Behalf Of Kiri Aradia Morgan
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:51 PM
> To: tml@travellercentral.com
> Subject: Re: [TML] Attachments
>
>
> For some reason this came to me personally.  Luckily I do use Outlook at
> work, and I know what the answer is.  Jesse, you have set your
> email options
> to reply in the same format as what you are replying to.  Do change that!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles R Hensley <hensley.cr@gte.net>
>
>
> >Jesse wrote:
> >
> >> Ya' lost me there man.  My e-mail is set to plain text, not html.....
> >>
> >your html post was a reply to an html post,  It appears that if
> you recieve
> and reply to an html message, your reply is automatically an html post.  I
> don't use outlook so I can say anything to help.
>
>
> Kiri
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Kiri Aradia Morgan      93!      Thou Art God...
> tiamat@tsoft.com
>
> "That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is
> sacred somewhere.  There's a deity out there who digs it.  You can respect
> and love your darkest side, disposing of only what is obsolete or
> impractical.  It's all about giving yourself permission."
>                                 -- Jack Darkhand
>
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Well so far I've used Internet Explorer 5.5, Powerdesk Pro 4.0's FTP, and
now finally tried CuteFTP (which has persistant downloading settings).
CuteFTP has had to relog several times to resume grabbing files..but at
least its now unattended.  I've been downloading since early yesterday and
have 25megs to go.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-tml@travellercentral.com]On Behalf Of Swordy
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 20:35
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Subject: RE: RE: RE: [TML] Attachments


I was able to get all 4574 files (168mb) in a few hours on Monday night. It
was a bit slower than good commercial sites, but adequate. Paul Sanders was
downloading at the same time. What I got only went back to 1996, though. Did
I hear right that there is more someplace?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tml@travellercentral.com
> There isn't any other way to get the Traveller archives than the
> MPGN site?
> I'm lucky if I can grab 3 small files at a time before the
> connection times
> out and resets.
> the web form at http://tml.travellercentral.com.

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On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Leonard Erickson wrote:
> Picture a ship hundreds of years old, but still in service. Maybe even

Well, I started a campaign and gave the players a good, reliable starship,
a yacht, dating back form Civil War - which makes it about four hundred
years old in 1111...

They are Vilani, so this was just a good thing.

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From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net>


>Okay, ya' got me.  How do I change that?

>
Go into Options.  Look under Send or under Email Options.  There should be a
box that says "reply to messages using the format in which they were sent"
under one of those headings.

Uncheck it.

Kiri  ^_^
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kiri Aradia Morgan      93!      Thou Art God...
tiamat@tsoft.com

"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is
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and love your darkest side, disposing of only what is obsolete or
impractical.  It's all about giving yourself permission."
                                -- Jack Darkhand


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Will was the originator of the series; there were various guest 
writers.  John M. Ford was one of them.

He also did Yellow Clearance Black Box Blues, for Paranoia.
He also wrote several great Amber Zones, including "Chill"  (IRC) - one of 
my favorites.

Victor Raymond

At 10:07 PM 4/5/01 -0400, you wrote:

> > He was one of the writers on a favorite alternate
> > universe independent comic of mine, "Captain Confederacy".
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>I thought Will Shetterly wrote Captain Confederacy.
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I'd like to echo the sentiments of everyone on the list in thanking
both Rob Miracle for his work maintaining the list at ient, as well
as Tod Glenn from Travcentral for taking over the reins.

The TML and its members have been a constant joy to me. I thank you
that you have made this daily contact of our group of Traveller fans
possible.

I've subscribed to the new list, but somehow, I just can't bring myself
to unsub from the old. I'm just sentimental, I guess.

Farewell & Goodbye to the old TML.
Hello and Welcome to the new.

Graeme


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GypsyComet@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 4/5/01 1:46:26 PM, you wrote:
>
> >> Newbie Essay Assignment:  In your opinion, are deep-penetration
> >
> >> commerce raiders a good expenditure of resources for an
> >
> >> interstellar navy?
> >
> >
> >
> >Hey, I like that one.  :-)  Thanks, I'm all over it...
>
> Alright. Obviously the TML-Topic-o-matic's compatibility rating's been
> compromised. It isn't supposed to produce topics that the subject LIKES.
>
> Ooops. is this a public letter?

Jim wasn't it your turn to wind the Hate-O-Dyne?

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Evyn

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    For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
    Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
    This day shall gentle his condition."
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